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Post  periwinkle on Mon Dec 01, 2008 2:06 am

1) The temperatures of the heat reservoir and the heat sink of a heat engine are 679.6 oC and 350 oC respectively. What is the power output of the engine if it draws heat at a rate of 31.21 KW from the heat reservoir and it's real efficiency is 0.4919 of the ideal efficiency (see sheet 17,19) ? Indicate with a positive (negative) sign whether one can (cannot) calculate the real efficiency of the engine from the two temperatures alone.
Answer: -5311.031005405406
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2) The compressor of a refrigerator delivers 79.48 W of power and withdraws 105.5 W from the freezing compartment. How many watts heat are released into the kitchen (see sheet 24) ? Indicate with a negative (positive) sign whether the amount of heat released is always (only sometimes) greater than the amount of heat withdrawn from the low temperature compartment.
Answer: -184.98000000000002
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3) A refrigerator withdraws heat from the freezing compartment at a rate of 156.7 W which is 2.673 times the compressor power. At which rate is heat released into the environment (see sheet 24,27) ? Indicate with a positive (negative) sign whether the real "coefficient of performance" is always (sometimes) smaller than the ideal one.
Answer: 215.32326973438083
How to solve:

4) A refrigerator in a room at 19.15 oC keeps the temperature in the freezing compartment at -2 oC. If the real "coefficient of performance" is the ideal one divided by 2.376 and 269.5 W are released into the room what is the power use of the compressor (see sheet 24) ?
Answer: 42.13727651069189
How to solve:

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Physics (Greek: physis – φύσις) is the science of matter[1] and its motion.[2] It is the science that seeks to understand very basic concepts such as force, energy, mass, and charge. More completely, it is the general analysis of nature, conducted in orde

Post  Physics on Tue Dec 02, 2008 1:55 am

Physics (Greek: physis – φύσις) is the science of matter[1] and its motion.[2] It is the science that seeks to understand very basic concepts such as force, energy, mass, and charge. More completely, it is the general analysis of nature, conducted in order to understand how the world around us and, more broadly, the universe, behaves.[3][4] Note that the term 'universe' is defined as everything that physically exists: the entirety of space and time, all forms of matter, energy and momentum, and the physical laws and constants that govern them. However, the term 'universe' may also be used in slightly different contextual senses, denoting concepts such as the cosmos, the world, and nature.

In one form or another, physics is one of the oldest academic disciplines, perhaps the oldest through its inclusion of astronomy.[5] Over the last two millennia, physics had been considered synonymous with philosophy, chemistry, and certain branches of mathematics and biology, but during the Scientific Revolution in the 16th century, it emerged to become a unique modern science in its own right.[6] However, in some subject areas such as in mathematical physics and quantum chemistry, the boundaries and the borderlines of physics remain difficult to distinguish.

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Question 2

Post  Guest01 on Sun Dec 07, 2008 6:45 am

Wfinal = Wdelivered + Wwithdrawn
Wfinal = 79.48 W + 105.5 W
Wfinal =
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184.98

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Question 3

Post  Guest01 on Sun Dec 07, 2008 7:02 am

c.p. = TL/(TH-TL)
where...
c.p. = 2.673
TL = 156.7
TH = ?


2.673 = TL/(TH-TL)
2.673 = 156.7/(TH-156.7)

Rearranging the formula to get TH by itself
TH = (TL/c.p.)+TL
TH = (156.7/2.673) + 156.7
TH = 58.62326973 +156.7
TH =
Spoiler:
215.3232697


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Post  super mo on Sun Dec 07, 2008 1:39 pm

this took me forever!
T_H= 860.4+273.15= 1133.55 Kelvin
T_L= 350+273.15= 623.15 Kelvin
Q_H= 28.81KW= 28810W
e_real= 0.3772*e_ideal
FIRST: find e_ideal
e_ideal= (T_H-T_L)/T_H = (1133.5-623.15)/1133.55= 0.450267
SECOND: find _real
e_real= 0.3772*e_ideal= 0.772*0.450267= 0.69841
THIRD: solve for W
e_real= W/Q_H= 0.169841=W/28810
W= 4893.12 answer should be neg correct for the CD but not tested on MapleTA

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question 4

Post  hwilson on Sun Dec 07, 2008 5:37 pm

Any ideas on question 4?

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Question 4

Post  Guest01 on Mon Dec 08, 2008 2:34 am

Here's the work I've gotten so far:

c.p.ideal = TL/(TH-TL)
where all Temperatures are in oKelvin

c.p.real = c.p.ideal/n
where n is the number they give

Now I assume it should be:
Q = W/c.p.real

The number I get is very close, but not close enough. I haven't tried it in MapleTA yet.


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quesion #3 and #4

Post  quesion on Tue Dec 09, 2008 9:17 pm

hey guys...can you pls post what you did for #3 and #4, and pls number them.

thanks

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Re: Ch 14.3 Help

Post  Guest01 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:47 am

Numbers 3 and 4 are now labeled, sorry about that. As for Question 4 I am stuck on it and it is only skeletal work. Hopefully someone will be able to build on it, notice what I did wrong, or I will ask so on the Blog.

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Post  Guest01 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 1:30 am

I've also found THIS but it does not seem to work.

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question 4

Post  guest123 on Wed Dec 10, 2008 3:17 am

i've been trying this problem for hours can't seem to figure out whats wrong with it. I get the number so close!! I don't know what I'm doing wrong. =[

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Re: Ch 14.3 Help

Post  everyjunk on Wed Dec 10, 2008 12:34 pm

when is this due?

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due date

Post  v.dot on Wed Dec 10, 2008 5:06 pm

this one is due on Friday, 12/19.... last one!! Razz

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EXCEL

Post  eagerphy on Thu Dec 11, 2008 1:42 am

is the excel file going to be posted? Because that was pretty awesome if I do say so myself. in terms of this quiz... they are really trying to have us hang ourselves. Pls help with #4.

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Post  the show on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:33 am

Here it is. I'm glad you all like it Smile. Just to help some people who want to understand number four. The watts that's given is NOT your Q_L but rather your Q_H. Therefore, you have to substitute the W in cp=Q_L/W with Q_H-Q_L. From here you find out what Q_L is and plug it into W=Q_H-Q_L and find W. I hope that helps.

http://www. sendspace. com/ file/ kcdx5w

For those that never used this, here's how it goes. You copy and paste the link provided. There are 4 spaces (1 after each dot and 1 after each backslash) or you can just type it in and save yourself the searching time. Each sheet at the bottom is for each question. You plug in the numbers just as they are. NO CONVERSION!!!!! Also, include the signs that they give. For example, for number 4, put -2 instead of just 2.

Good luck with all your finals and have a wonderful break.

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Post  the show on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:43 am

Sorry, last post. Just for forgot to say that you remove the spaces in the link, in case some people have never done this before.

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<3

Post  0404 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 2:06 pm

i love you guys Smile

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Q4

Post  meg on Thu Dec 11, 2008 4:45 pm

Im still not gettin number 4. Can someone please explain again with numbers. Is it positive or neg?

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sucks

Post  link on Thu Dec 11, 2008 6:09 pm

that link isnt working even when i copy past....boooo

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Post  help15 on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:07 pm

i enter the numbers but it is not showing me the answer,what do i have to do??? please help

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Question 4

Post  Kathleen on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:35 pm

So, I basically just followed what was posted on the blog but I'll fit it with my question

A refrigerator in a room at 15 oC keeps the temperature in the freezing compartment at -2 oC. If the real "coefficient of performance" is the ideal one divided by 1.817 and 341.8 W are released into the room what is the power use of the compressor

TH = 15 + 273.15 = 288.15 K
TL = -2+273.15 = 271.15
e_real = e_ideal/1.817
Q_H = 341.8 W

c.p_ideal = (271.15)/(288.15-271.15) = 15.95
c.p_real = (15.95)/(1.817) = 8.778
c.p = Q_L/ Q_H - Q_L
You want to solve for Q_L here so get it all on one side
c.p(Q_H-Q_L) = Q_L
c.p*Q_H - c.p*Q_L = Q_L ( i multiplied out the parentheses)
c.p*Q_H = c.p*Q_L * Q_L
Now remember, c.p = 8.778, Q_H = 341.8
(8.778)*(341.Cool = (8.778*Q_L)+(Q_L) -> if you remember math, when there is no number in front of a variable it is just considered to be a one, so you add the two Q_L's together
3000.39 = 8.778*Q_L + 1*Q_L
3000.39 = 9.778*Q_L
(3000.39/9.778) = Q_L
Q_L = 306.8447

Now, I don't really know why we are doing some of this stuff, I just worked off of someone elses work when I couldn't figure it out myself...but now you do

W = QH-QL
W = 341.8 - 306.8447
W= 34.95

Answer is positive
this worked on maple TA for me, and I tried it out on the problem posted above so i hope it works for you guys.

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Post  the show on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:35 pm

Just enter the numbers and click enter. The answer is under the "Answer" tab. I'm not with my laptop right now so I'll check when I get back if it's working or not.

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Re: Ch 14.3 Help

Post  Kathleen on Thu Dec 11, 2008 10:36 pm

I don't know why that smiley face showed up but that number is just the 341.8 (QH value)

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:)

Post  ann on Fri Dec 12, 2008 9:50 am

u guys are the best

thank u for posting and not being jerks...
i don't learn anything from class...

when u guys put explanations, I actually get them...


*good luck on finals everyone. =)

I hope the professors realize how this website is really helpful.

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i meant to post a reply, not open a new topic

Post  me on Fri Dec 12, 2008 5:03 pm

i was just wondering how you find the sendspace excel sheets for other quizzes...if there is some sort of SBU site for physics?...

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